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home schooling after 8th grade

i was wondering if any of the amish children are home schooled when they leave formal education as they know it. from reading verena's column that she wrote for her mother, it would be a real shame if the young woman couldn't further her writing skills into a 'career' so to speak. i feel this is an important issue that could be taken up in amish families, if allowed to do so.

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When I was well into my pregnancy with my daughter (in the early 70s), I told my husband I would like to stay home and raise our daughter, if it was at all feasible. And so I did, until she started first grade. Was it easy? No. We did without a lot, so that we could provide for our daughter. And I do not regret my decision to stay home. Consequently, my daughter did not get sent to day care, and I got to witness all her wonderful "firsts" that I would have missed, had I decided to keep my job. But I can totally see how staying home would not work for everyone, and that some families (most families!) have to have both parents working to survive in today's world.

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Ah, Diann, your awesome!! I should add that your daughter is lucky, my husband, not so lucky- his momma was the bread winner, both parents worked outside the home - she was the one with the steady income. He was one of those latch key kids and really didn't like it much.  

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Please forgive any gramatical or spelling errors as I've been writing this with as my children have been schooling this AM- they come first, so this post has been stop and go...)

Yes, sometimes Mother's do have to work.  A long time ago as a single mother, I did HAVE to work outside the home.  I know both sides of this coin quite well. I was blessed, my daughter was cared for by my momma and my sister while I worked.  I sent her to the best Christian preschool and onto a very highly acclaimed Christian school in our area. We lived meagerly so that she could go to those schools, even then, gov. school was out of the question.  Thankfully God had in His plan a wonderful husband for me.  Soon after we were married and before our sons were added to the family, I left that job.  Most would say that I still NEEDED to be working, my husband's salary was lower than mine at the time, and believe me his was a small amount (this is in the mid ninties).  That's when our homeschool (yes, it's all one word, nevermind what spell checker says) adventure began; gov. school was still not an option. 

Most women/mother's do not HAVE to work.  Most are working to maintain a certain social status, not for ends to meet.  Fancy cars and homes, name brand clothing and fancy colleges for their (spoiled) children suck up all of their pay.  Most ladies haven't been trained to care for their homes and children; they (even more so now days) were raised in daycare, then became "latch key" children relying on their own devices to survive until the parents would come in at supper time, from their most important careers. That's all they know, yes, they've been bamboozled by the Feminist movement!  The plain fact is, most women are not willing to give selflessly of themselves, as instructed in the Bible.  They are not willing to SUBMIT to their own husbands (Eph. 5:2 - "Wives submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.").  It's a tough thing, even for us Christian Sisters! 

God laid out His plans for families in Genesis after Adam & Eve ate of the fruit of the tree in the midst of the garden, that God instructed them NOT to eat of. The curse: Women would bare the pain of child birth (and raising the children); men would be tied to working the soil, now a days, that may be a desk. Also in "the fall of man" you might say that Adam & Eve, coveted something of God, God said don't eat of certain trees.... They coveted those trees, they wanted them and they went after those trees, regardless of the consequences.  In the tenth commandment of the Ten Commandments, in Exodus 20 (v.17); God says that we shall not covet what other people have (paraphrased).  

As far as higher education, the Bible is pretty clear in the OT and reinforced in the NT that parents are to educate their children; in the ways of the Lord.  There are a couple exceptions, one being Hannah being instructed by God, to give Samuel to Eli, for his education.  Children have been homeschooled since the very beginning, mother's have worked the home and father's have worked the soil, since the very beginning- and that system has worked quite well throughout the history of man. Another point the Bible is clear on (we just went over this in our family devotions this week) is that the only "things" God will provide for is food and clothing. (1 Tim 6:8) He does not guarentee shelter or transportation. Those things are blessings, even in their meagerest forms. 

To bring this back to the orignal forum; the Amish have it right.  If Lovina's girls end up being paid or published for their writings, that would be great!  The Mennonite publisher of the school curriculum we have has many storybooks written by women, I'm sure they were fairly compensated for their talents too.  The point is that they are not "working for a livin'" so to speak. I babysit our Youth Pastor's baby once a week, and get paid for that- but it's not our main form of income, as a matter of fact, I'd be content watching her for zero pay, and her parents know that, they are kind and bless us. Obviously, both of them work outside the home- with good reasons, is it their first choice, no. As more children are added to their family, I can see YP's wife working less. We are blessed by their baby being here and it's our way of giving back to them for all the many hours of service they give to our church.  While I wouldn't know if an Amish woman would struggle with contentment, I do know that as a Christian woman, it is a struggle for me.  That's why I chose "contentment" as my work of the year, or area of growth for myself. Suzi, I can understand your thoughts from a worldly perpective, I hope this adds a little Biblical perspective to those thoughts.    

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"In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty: in all things, charity."  - Thomas Aquinas

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Perfectly said!

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junebug, i'm in agreement with your philosophy about some of us living beyond our means. i was raised in an upper level family who had good financial means due to my father having a gov. job for general electric here in evendale, ohio. when i grew up and married a good man who worked hard to feed his family. he did seasonal work as a roofer. he made good money while he was working. in the winter he had to take unemployment checks so that we could survive. we had to get food stamps so that we could eat. i relied on our church for prayer and some other things. then we got smart and joined the military and stayed there for 30 years and raised our family of four. so junebug, i know what you mean when you say that some of need to work and some don't. i had to work due to the fact that i was in the service of our country. i worked in the emergency room as a clinical technian and saw some things that i would not wish on ANYONE. so, i DO know how you feel....GOD BLESS YOU

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I hope that all wives and mothers on this site take the time to read what you have written. You have said everything that I believe and try to live by. As you say, it isn't always easy..but we try! May God bless you..I know He has blessed me through your words!!Smile

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As long time homeschool family, I can say that it is our goal to prepare our children for life, not college.  In life, you do need to be proficient at certain skills, including the three R's- I've known many "book smart" people who can't hold a job, manage their money or marriages and certainly struggle with parenting- College isn't for everyone and it shouldn't be, there is this movement that EVERYONE must go to college or else they are going to be failures and a menise to society, that is crazy.  More importantly a child need to be taught how to take care of a wife/husband, how to parent and keep a home, and have a healthy work ethic.

"Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old he will not depart from it" Proverbs 22:6     

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Well said KJunebug.  My $40,000 spent at university (in the 90's) didn't really get me anywhere.  I went because it was expected and I thought I had to get a 'career'.  Luckily God sent me my darling husband who saved me from my 'career'.  Being 'just a mother/wife' is just what I'm meant to be.  And I will be so happy if Ella follows in my true career.  The Feminists were wrong, we can have 'it all' by staying home where we belong!

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God Bless you Paula!!! I have always been a stay-at-home wife and mom. I didn't go to college,but alot of hubby's family thought that we were making a "mistake". We were sure of what we wanted,and that was 33 years ago! I have never doubted our(or MY decision) to farm and raise children. There is no greater calling for a woman than to be a wife and mother. In the book of Titus it says..Be busy at home. I'm not good with chapter and verse..if anyone wants the genuine phrasology,perhaps KJuneBug will interject(she's REALLY good at it!), or I will look it up and post tomorrow. As a p.s., recently, I was working at a local 5 & 10..it was only temporary. I enjoyed it,but am so happy to be home where I belong.

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Titus 2:5 : )  I'm 100 percent for staying at home and have been able to do that for the most part.  It's not always possible for everyone who wants to, however, and I think it's important not to let it become an "us against them" thing where those who choose to or need to work outside the home are made to feel that their choice somehow makes them bad mothers.  We need to encourage ALL mothers in their roles.

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Oh, I realize there are a lot of moms who HAVE to work.  But there are also a lot who work because they feel they have to in order to have social worth.  A lot of the moms I know would be further ahead financially if they STAYED HOME.  Most folks don't work out the numbers and realize mom is working for just pennies when all the expenses are added up.  Let alone the benefit to the kids (and society) to be raised by their mother/father instead of by daycare.

Lack of choice is my biggest issue with Feminism.  They claim to be fighting for women to have the right to chose their life.  But in reality women are only free to chose what Feminism wants them to chose.  Those that chose life, babies and home are treated like idiots or worse.  Look at the uproar over the SuperBowl commercial, just because the football guy wanted to thank his mom for not killing him just because the doctor said so.

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hi kj, i know that there are folks who DO NOT belong in a higher level of learning. i was just saying that maybe after lovina was through with her years as a columnist, one or both of her daughters would be willing to take over. in this way, both of these bright young women could have what we 'englishers' call a writing career. they would still be in the realms of their church while remaining amish too. i do agree with your full comment.

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"Suzie", that could well be in the cards, Lovina has some talented writers waiting in the wings:)

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Wouldn't that be wonderful? And wouldn't Grandma Coblentz be so proud!!! I wish them every success!!

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Suzie, this is a tough one....Look, I know what you are saying.  She's bright, couldn't she do more?  But you have to balance that by looking at Amish culture. Their whole culture is designed around a certain way of life.  Young Amish women grow up to become young homemakers and that is that.  I am not saying that is right or wrong, that's just their culture.  You could make your same argument by visiting, say, an Intuit village on the Arctic Circle.  You could say "Gee, this young Intuit lady seems so bright and talented isn't there a way we can get her back into school, onto college, etc."  But that wouldn't be the Intuit way of life.   I am not saying that you believe this, but there is a fine line to tread....the "civilizing the natives" view caused our forefathers to obliterate Native American culture.....

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i'm glad that she is able to help on her mother's column. i am thinking that this is her way of a 'career' within her amish culture, so that she is not going outside the church. did lovina's mother have to gain permission from the church in order for her to write the original column? thank you for the quick and honest answer.